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IEPs…ideas on getting more services? (16 posts)

  • Profile picture of Julia Roberts Julia Roberts said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I know it’s summer and many people just ended the year but I was thinking we could open up a discussion to bring ideas to each other about getting more services or working in a situation/system that seem uphill. Let’s use this to share ideas about what successes we’ve had when IEP teams and parents don’t agree. How did we come out with what our kids needed?

    Now…go!

    Site co-founder and tired special needs mom to two cute kids; Gage and Quinnlin. Kids who’ve endured more than their share of medical and emotional issues. ARPKD (recessive polycystic kidney disease), ocularmotor apraxia, delays, IEPs,mental illness, kidney failure, dialysis, and kidney transplants
  • Profile picture of said 10 months ago:

    Having a very clear understanding about your child’s diagnosis is paramount to getting appropriate services in the IEP. Keep copious records on everything. Put all requests in writing and keep records. It is especially important when working with difficult school districts where you’re not seeing eye to eye. Have your child completely evaluated be sure to have the supporting evaluation report. Be sure to send copies of the evaluations to the district and ask for a CSE meeting to discuss the findings and recommendations. Do not be turned away if you feel your child’s needs aren’t being appropriately met. Read special education law and understand the regulations in your state. Quote the law whenever necessary. Invite anyone you consider supportive and/or knowledgeable about your child’s diagnosis. Take notes and record every CSE meeting. It is legal to record meetings with prior written notice. If available, take classes in parent advocacy. In NYS, the classes are offered at no cost to parents. It is great way to network with other parents and learn how to effectively advocate for your child. Middle-school age children should be included in CSE meetings. By age 14, children should be actively participating in their educational needs and learning how to advocate for themselves with parental support.

  • Profile picture of Nicole Nicole said 9 months, 4 weeks ago:

    I want to request an aid/assistant for my daughter in her IEP. She is 4, will be in Pre-K in a GA public school, in a regular classroom, 22 students, 1 teacher and 1 assistant. She has Cerebral Palsy and needs help holding a crayon/pencil, scissors, writing, going to the bathroom, getting into and out of her walker, etc. I’m worried she will get behind in school without an aid to help her with basic skills she hasn’t mastered yet. She will be the only child in the class with a physical disability. Is the school required to provide an aid if we request it? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
    Nicole

  • Profile picture of Julia Roberts Julia Roberts said 9 months, 4 weeks ago:

    They have to recognize a need for it – so you need to start the process for an evaluation for it – you will also want to read through our legal articles to just prepare yourself. I’m traveling and have horrible internet service, but will get back to the group around august 8, but you need to request a meeting – at least now or the first week of school.

  • Profile picture of M_B M_B said 9 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Admittedly, I still don’t fully understand the IEP process, but my daughter is 4, has CP, and is going to be in preschool for her second year in a Georgia public school. It was always just a given that she’d have a parapro/aide with her, and she had one all day, every day last year and will again this year (usually it was one of two people, occasionally a third helped out). I suspect that when you have your IEP meeting they’ll already anticipate the need for it (or was I just lucky?). Just be firm, and remember you can always call another meeting (and bring support of whatever kind you need) if you don’t get what you’re looking for.

  • Profile picture of Marythemom Marythemom said 9 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Network with other parents in your school district and find out what services they’re getting (thereby discovering what’s available). This is how we learned about a “secret” special program for emotionally disturbed students.

    Most importantly — Document, document, document! Keep a running account, and always review before a meeting (I’m always amazed by what I’ve forgotten in the time since we’ve last met – like how upset my child was by a male substitute, or she threw up before school every day for a week, or the e-mail I got copied on that said he was repeatedly leaving class – which doesn’t show up as an absence or tardy because he was there for attendance….). Don’t expect them to provide information like test results, visits to the school nurse, absences/tardies, grades and progress notes… keep that in your account too. We have an online grade and attendance program that parents can check anytime. I made the mistake of not printing it out on a semi-regular basis and discovered that they were making major changes and I had no proof that the day before he took his final exam he had a 23 in English. 3 days later we got the results of his final exam (he failed), but he’d passed English with a 70! All the grades had been subtly altered. We were told it was from “extra credit” from finishing his reviews. In a secret e-mail his teacher told me she was told he “had to” pass.

    Mary in TX
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    ” Saying “no” is not being negative. Negative is saying “yes” to things that are destroying you..”
  • Profile picture of Nicole Nicole said 9 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Thanks for all the advice. We have a meeting scheduled next Monday to discuss a para/helper for Keagan. When I set up the meeting, they basically said it is highly unlikely. That no one in our school district has an aide. That if she needs that much extra help she should be back in the special needs class. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I just got off the phone, I didn’t want to go crazy on her. I’m waiting for her response in person in front of everyone else at the meeting. Wish me luck!

  • Profile picture of Julia Roberts Julia Roberts said 9 months, 2 weeks ago:

    You can make an argument for her to be in an inclusive class…we did that for our son. They pulled him out for subjects of math and reading and that really worked best. At the very LEAST there needs to be a parapro in the class that she falls under. Just because no one in the district has one doesn’t mean she she shouldn’t have one. I know a lot of kids who “share” one in class…2-3 kids. In some ways this is better because the child isn’t singled out. My daughter has one in her class for 3 hours – she works with my daughter (4th gr) but sits with 2-3 kids so that it isn’t obvious they are there for her. My girl likes this arrangement because she isn’t singled out.

  • Profile picture of Diane Davis Diane Davis said 9 months, 1 week ago:

    I’m reading the posts and, frankly, this topic is huge. The basis for any IEP is great evaluations, period. The way to get great evaluations is to follow the procedure in your state and hold the schools to the deadlines and then have someone outside the school that can help you decode the evaluator speak into plain English so you can understand your child’s challenges and strengths – and then make a plan to use his strengths to remediate or support his challenges. Evaluations are the way to get placement, aides, and all other services. If you don’t have a map to where you are going, you can’t get there. And if you don’t have a destination, you can’t make progress. Great evaluations tell you where you are. A great IEP is the road map to where you want to go. The law also has a clause called “least restrictive environment” meaning that your child is automatically placed with typically developing children unless they can prove he can’t receive an education there. If he can’t receive an education in the regular classroom without support (aide, curriculum modifications, behavioral support, etc.) then they have to provide the services so they are successful. If, after providing that support appropriately, your child isn’t successful, another kind of placement can be considered, part-time out of classroom, etc. Essentially, your child has to “fail” placement before they can force them out of the regular classroom and they have to prove they provided all the support necessary to keep the child there BEFORE they can suggest other placement. However, if you and the IEP team agree that an alternative placement is appropriate, they can do one. Make no mistake, parents have the power in the relationship. Just because the school was all powerful when you were 5 doesn’t mean they are now. They cannot do anything unless you agree.

  • Profile picture of Lisa Joseph Lisa Joseph said 9 months, 1 week ago:

    Getting a good diagnosis and going to a good doctor are key. My son was diagnosed by an excellent team of doctors, and they wrote on the paperwork that they strongly recommended a one on one AND as much integration into the regular classroom as possible to maintain his high functionality. With that written on a piece of letterhead from the hospital it carries a LOT of weight.

  • Profile picture of Diane Davis Diane Davis said 9 months ago:

    Diagnosis and “buy in” from medical are important, however, don’t discount the importance of a present level of functioning and also solid recommendations for goals and objectives that are measurable and observable. You have to know where you are before you can know how far you’ve traveled- and that has to be documented and provable.

  • Profile picture of Angelia Reich Angelia Reich said 8 months, 4 weeks ago:

    I am a special education teacher. One thing I have noticed is that parents do not feel that they are part of the team. The IEP team consists of parents, teachers, administrators, and maybe even school counselors. YOU are a very important part of the team. One thing that may help is get to know the teacher and develop a relationship with that teacher. I know that many of my parents have good relationships with me. I see them at Wal Mart and we talk to each other about what is going in our lives. As a teacher I make sure the parents are at the meetings, and make sure to schedule it when the parent can be there. As to the actual IEP, if the special ed teacher comes to the meeting with it filled out must tell you it is a draft copy and can be changed. I know many times I have talked to a parent on the phone about what I was thinking was best and what she/he thought was best. Sometimes we are on the same page and sometimes we are not. When we are not on the same page I have been know to get creative and find ways to meet the needs of the student. Don’t get mad, but sometimes I have had parents request things that are just out there, b ut I do work with the parent to come up with a workable solution and we improve on it or change it it depending on how that solution is working.

  • Profile picture of Leila Leila said 8 months, 3 weeks ago:

    First step for me is to make sure you are working with a really great doctor or team that will go to bat for you and your child(ren). I have fired doctors left and right until finding an amazing team we work with. Our immunologist may be a little odd socially but everyone in his building loves working with him and we both have mutual respect. He will respond to my emails in the middle of the night (he knows its serious if I email him that late) and he will not hesitate to fax, call or flood the school with more documentation than they know what to do with. I know that is rare… but there are really good eggs out there! He is a big letter writer and his letters are very detailed, with the hospital letterhead he works for and it holds a ton of weight. They just can’t discredit it. His first list of modifications was 6 pages long because he spelled out EVERYTHING. The IEP team was floored. We negotiated some that weren’t necessary but it was really impressive.

    Document EVERYTHING. I have a calendar specific to medical issues and another for school issues. If my daughter voices a complaint or concern or a struggle.. I add an entry. If she has a “bad health day” I document all details. I keep all correspondence about her grades, modifications and health in email with her teachers. To be obnoxiously formal with a teacher when she tried to refuse to email last year (it was a bad situation) I sent her formal letters requesting her signature and it to be returned to acknowledge that she read and received it… we went back to emails after that. I know that in order to best advocate for her is going to be by keeping records and the best way to stay on top of her ever changing medical needs is to track every change. It’s exhausting but worth it.

    Like everyone has said… know the process and know your rights. There are many advocacy agencies that will tell you what you rights are and what the process is.

    Armed with all of that I just make sure I have a very good relationship with the team and stay very very involved! Even when dealing with non-compliance issues and a lot of stress last year I maintained mutual respect with the team and we were all on a first named basis and laughed through the meetings. They know that I am informed and I am there to help them understand what is best for my child but I will put my foot down as needed.

  • Profile picture of Laura Laura said 8 months, 3 weeks ago:

    I feel desperate for help. I was at my son’s school today to drop off school supplies that I had forgotten to do the day before. My son’s case mgr. told me no problem bring it tomorrow. I did so today. I went to my son’s room and the teacher is the most cold, stand-ofish teacher I’ve met. I introduced myself and she said she didn’t know I was coming today. I went to approach her to extend my hand and she walked around her desk so that the desk was between us. She had been standing in the middle of the room. I explained about the supplies and she said nothing. I asked her if she felt ready to have a child in her classroom wtih asperger’s and she rambled about her dual teaching degree. I had already looked up her license and found she only has a bachelor’s. I asked her if she had any training in autism and she said I’ve had autistic kids in my classroom before. This woman did not want to talk to me and was becoming obviously irritated with me in her room. WTF, right?I asked her if she had a copy of and read his iep and bip and she said, NO! I gulped and said something like wow that doesn’t leave a lot of time to get a hold of it. She said that she has meetings coming up and I didn’t get what she meant by that. She moved again and I thanked her for her time and left. I was devastated. All I could think of is what my kid will have to deal with on a daily basis.

    The school hates me as I am the parent that calls IEP meetings to discuss problems. I’m not a whiner, I deal with and put problems on the table, real stuff. I feel at a loss on how to handle this. Do I send the principal a letter detailing the interaction and my fears for my son? What on earth would you do in this case? Thanks for all input.

  • Profile picture of KC KC said 8 months, 1 week ago:

    Laura,

    Did things work out? Did the teacher come around? How is your child doing with school? Our IEP meeting is Tuesday. We are terrified.

    KC